tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15895111.post333972299885713029..comments2023-11-03T12:44:19.948+01:00Comments on Orwell's Picnic ~: The Great EscapeHilary Jane Margaret Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03771332473693479830noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15895111.post-51884065845263732662008-07-06T16:14:00.000+02:002008-07-06T16:14:00.000+02:00Not to mention monasticism.Not to mention monasticism.Lucillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03225011724349777456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15895111.post-56702419986125661982008-07-06T05:35:00.000+02:002008-07-06T05:35:00.000+02:00I think the Early Christians were in an enclave th...I think the Early Christians were in an enclave though. The Catacombs?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15895111.post-32251879272551500132008-07-04T11:52:00.000+02:002008-07-04T11:52:00.000+02:00If you have a Catholic number of children you pret...If you have a Catholic number of children you pretty much live in an enclave anyway cause it's not like you can ever leave the house. - KarenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15895111.post-5056305397501199662008-07-04T07:32:00.000+02:002008-07-04T07:32:00.000+02:00I am not sure if the disagreement I perceive betwe...I am not sure if the disagreement I perceive between myself and Miss White on this issue is a matter of misunderstanding or disagreement: I composed a lengthy response to this post earlier, then deleted it thinking my interpretation may have been wrong.<BR/><BR/>Is the argument that Catholics who should simply accept that the world believes and does things that are repugnant, and go along without a fight? That even if we don't personally approve of everything other people do, we should make sure we don't look strange, act strange, or seem to want to change things? If so, than I disagree: living in an enclave, dressing differently than the modern norm, praying for the return of a Catholic confessional state, etc., may not be normal, but certainly don't constitute living in a fantasy world. Those things are just as real as anything else: the enclavist doesn't forget the modern world, but rather sees it as flawed and in need of prayer. Perhaps getting out of it is all he can do to spare himself and his family from the problems it causes.<BR/><BR/>However, I believe I may be misunderstanding, or perhaps Miss White's post and my understanding are somehow not connecting. From previous posts I have read on this blog, I highly doubt that this is intended as an argument for passive acceptance of the modern world. If I have misunderstood, than I would suggest that a stronger differentiation be made between truly fleeing from reality (and God) and innocently fighting for justice and truth in the ways that are available to us.<BR/><BR/>After all, I have often heard things like contraception and abortion promoted on the reasoning that "this is what works in the real world." I would hate to see Catholics buying in to that kind of pacifism, the sort that says that the deeply troubled world we inhabit is all that really exists, and we just need to conform ourselves to it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15895111.post-68942724980287283522008-07-04T06:28:00.000+02:002008-07-04T06:28:00.000+02:00You wrote: "I think this sort of thing is just a d...You wrote: <BR/><BR/>"I think this sort of thing is just a different manifestation of the same impulse as our podgy leather-clad friends in the link..."<BR/><BR/>I can't believe you are equating a parade of transssexual perverts with what you call "Catholic Enclavists." That is extreme. It is also inaccurate. The latter at least have a concept of human nature that very closely approaches "the Real" as you say. They are also trying to be faithful to the Gospel in a world that allows no room for serious religion.Ricky Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04183484998394922183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15895111.post-11197523822955627142008-07-04T06:23:00.000+02:002008-07-04T06:23:00.000+02:00Now we see the fruits of all that talk about 'comm...Now we see the fruits of all that talk about 'community' in the Mass of Paul VI. Hasn't a big objection always been that it focuses on the worship community and not on God?<BR/><BR/>Yeah community is important. But what kind of community?Mark S. Abelnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06692448528819277158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15895111.post-88349235813125171212008-07-03T23:06:00.000+02:002008-07-03T23:06:00.000+02:00Hilary,You're brilliant. Carry on. Smile. And pray...Hilary,<BR/><BR/>You're brilliant. <BR/><BR/>Carry on. Smile. And pray like hell..<BR/><BR/>TadhgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com